[#3680] Can't make lists including more than 53 groups !

Hello,

Has I got this problem into CB lists ( couldn't list all groups because the field couldn't permit filling so many values), this problem exists also into CB auto action, and CB auto plugin GroupJive, where the access fields must be changed to Text instead of Varchar (255) to allow more than 53 groups.
into
comprofiler_plugin_autoactions
AND
groupjive_plugin_auto

Thanks !

You'll need to change them manually. These likely will not be changed. Your usage is completely non-standard and I highly recommend not having so many groups. At any rate many if not all these plugins will change from usergroup usage to view access levels after CB 2.0.

Sorry but my usage is completely standard.
I just have lots of groups.

How can it be justifiable to say "you can't have more 53 groups with our community system" ????
Just because you have evaluate that the needs of your clients is 53 groups ?
:huh:

Majority of installs will not use such an extremely large amount of groups or view access levels. Having that many may require re-review of your usage. Basically every plugin is set with a 255 character limit. A lot of plugins however have custom groups like "Everybody" or "Everyone", which should be sufficient if you're selecting everyone. Future releases after CB 2.0 will be using view access levels and only using usergroups for permissions, which should also help with the limitations (and we'll probably change them to mediumtext to allow for larger usage). As is we'd need to change well over a dozen plugins to implement your desired fix, which is unlikely; sorry.

Well, of course I disagree, partially...

Actually the fix is about changing a field type into database, which, even if has to be done on many plugins, is not a big problem.

I'm achieving a website / intranet / social application for a french university.
That means the needs were:
-having a website, with authors ACL based (migrating content of a J! 1.5)
-having an intranet with a repository for documents, with authors ACL based
-having a social app, with multiple profile types and groups.

Everything is running smoothly. I wanted to prove that Joomla! could be a serious robust platform, and it is.
I have 285 groups, and 5 access levels, that it.
It is for 2000 workers, and 15000 students/year.

CB is quite a good solution, as my needs only required 2 modifications, 1 into CB, 1 into GJ, which is few for such a "completely non standard" usage.
You just forgot my usecase with lots of groups...Not bad at all...

I used Joomla! and a selection of components because it's open source, and it's open to discussion and evolution.

So think about it, are webapps going to be little or medium platform, or won't they need to be larger, with larger functionnalities ?
If I can make that for a university, don't you think others may want the same things soon ? Might be other organisations as well, where you may have 2000 or more workers in it.

If the system is changing for CB 2.0 that's fine, that's why I choose open source solutions, with clever people than me that can help me thinking of bigger systems.
That's why I renounced to use CB sub the "super free, but in fact no you can't, or you will wait till we decide you can do this" solution.
So it will bring better functionnalities , I'm confident with that, I'm just into CB for 5 years, so I had time to think about all this.

But please, do not present things like if CB 2.0 could be regressive, or make me think I choose the wrong horse, not in terms of functionnaliy of course, but in terms of size of items or such details...
I mean, what's the purpose of all these plugins ? Accessing external databases, connecting with facebook, privacy etc...
Having all this accessible can only bring to bigger communities, transverse functionnalities.

Once again, my needs required 2 very simple fix, and all is running fine, I just used the available functionnalities.
I don't know if with CB 2.0 I'll have to rethink all my system, but I guess, even if it's a bigger upgrade for me, I will be abble to organise my needs with it, and better.

Tell me this, and it's fine, or scary me more, but if you could be more specific of the "earthquake" I should expect with CB 2.0, I will be gratefull.
Anyway, I won't migrate with a snap to CB 2.0, I know that.
Just please, stay open to discussions, and bigger websites that may require 2 different group/access system sometimes.

Thanks for reading. I would also love to know what other CB teams members think of this.
Not expecting 10 pages, just a few words to know where I'm going, or not.

Best

Hi crony,

Thanks for bringing up this current limitation of maximum number of groups that we need to address in the light of Joomla 2.5 and soon 3.x in the next minor bugfix releases.

Just to make sure: As I understand, you have solved your current issue with increasing the groups field of cb lists table, e.g. VARCHAR(4096) or TEXT ? (of course it's still a limitation, but much higher than 255).

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I don't want to expand within this thread and at this time on CB 2.0, but to address your concerns of your last reply quickly:

1) Just to make things clear, CB 2.0 will be a smooth, simple, easy, upgrade, as always been with CB (and becoming more and more simpler with e.g. the new packager and CB QuickStart Pro too).

2) CB 2.0 is a very major milestone, but actually all the best parts of it are already used by installations using CB QuickStartPro+incubator plugins+CBSubs, and we are writing a few more "One more thing"s to complete it soon. So, engines-wise it's already proven solid, features-wise it will open new horizons, and a new look and a fresh UX.

So yes, it's a major upcoming release, but it's 99% composed of new, but already proven code, which already runs on hundreds of thousands of websites today.

So, oh my god, it's not an earthquake, it's much much much nicer and friendly than an earthquake, and further-reaching too

The CB team is really excited.... but we won't tell more for now than we already told at J&Beyond ( you can check in the News section the 8 minutes video of my Lightning talk for a very nice part of CB 2.0 ).